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| Will the North Pole melt away this summer? |
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Pigmalia
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 Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:39 am     |
All right, apparently there's nothing these crazies won't claim. Here's your chance to sound off and demonstrate to all of us how brilliant the Warmist religion is. See here for the amazing science. A simple question:
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theodorelogan
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Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:49 am |
I guess this summer we will finally see NYC underwater?
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Tezcatlipoca
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Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:54 am |
You can be as facetious and insulting as you want, but that doesn't mean it's any less true that the Northwest Passage was open for the first time in recorded history and we're going to be able to sail to the North Pole in our lifetimes.
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Pigmalia
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Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:18 am |
Well why don't you vote yes and if your right I'll convert, fair deal? You do have science on your side.
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Green Arrow
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Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:33 am |
Would Tez be so magnanimous to offer to rescind his allegiance to Warminism, if the North Pole does not completely melt away this summer? Perhaps his faith is not as strong.
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Tezcatlipoca
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Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:38 am |
If it doesn't melt away this summer? Absolutely not. Even the scientists say it's only a possibility now.
If the North Pole doesn't open up and a surface ship doesn't make the passage over it by 2020? Sure, I'll make that bet.
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Hetman Cornellius
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Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:15 am |
OK, let's mud-sling!
Ostriches stick their heads in sand and foam at the r......
... yes, that's the other end.
And that's all that's coming out.
Do you have the SLIGHTEST idea what you're talking about?
I didn't want to be rude, but if you start putting people down with condescension, derision and word choices of pejorative connotations just because you are somewhat less educated in the matter, I guess it's time to speak your language to you.
You want to discuss a topic, feel free. You want to go about offending people, there's plenty such forums out there, why contaminate this one?
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rickyp
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Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:16 am |
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Green Arrow
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Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:18 am |
Hetman,
Do you think I was mudslinging? I hope not. I was just asking people to stand for their beliefs. If the Polar Ice caps melt for the first time in recorded history this summer, I am willing to accept Warminism.
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Pigmalia
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Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:33 am |
I don't think its asking much for our scientifically minded people to make a prediction based on their theories, is it?
We negotiate back and forth and then have a wager. Opportunity for us all to learn something.
Hetman, you seem awfully touchy about your religion, my bad for not treading more gently on the subject.
rickyp's source says:
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| SEASONED POLAR SCIENTISTS believe the chances of a totally ice-free North Pole this summer are greater than 50:50 because the normally thick ice formed over many years at the Pole has been blown away and replaced by huge swathes of thinner ice formed over a single year. |
I think that is good enough odds for you Warmists to put up or shut up. 
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Hetman Cornellius
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Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:09 am |
No, Bbauska, I didn't mean you.
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| I don't think its asking much for our scientifically minded people to make a prediction based on their theories, is it? |
Here's a prediction: some people refuse to acknowledge a fact even faced with overwhelming and substantial evidence. You seem to belong to that category who refuses to learn because they know better already. The prediction is - whether the ice melts or not will be immaterial to your attitude. There will always be plenty of excuses to deny, to act "as if" or to simply ignore any situation that doesn't fit your idea of what world is like.
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| We negotiate back and forth and then have a wager. Opportunity for us all to learn something. |
ROTFLMAO 
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| Hetman, you seem awfully touchy about your religion, my bad for not treading more gently on the subject. |
See? Here's why I'm laughing: as long as you don't see the difference between science and religion, you'll always be my favorite clown.
Your appalling lack of consistency between TWO CONSECUTIVE LINES is the best summary of how clear you are not only on the subject but even on what is going on in your own mind:
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| I don't think its asking much for our scientifically minded people |
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| Hetman, you seem awfully touchy about your religion |
Congratulations. I love your creativity and will buy your book if you ever write one.
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| I think that is good enough odds for you Warmists to put up or shut up. |
I could agree with you more if you finished the thought:
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| I think that is good enough odds for you Warmists to put up WITH ME PIGMALIA or shut up BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE ME FEEL LIKE I'VE WON SOMETHING. |
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Admiral Corncob
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Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:29 pm |
| Pigmalia wrote: |
Will the North Pole melt away this summer? |
You and your buddies are so clueless on this subject even at the most fundamental level, and this question shows it.
WILL the North Pole melt is your question. Sorry, but nobody will answer yes because people who understand gcc... no, let's go broader... people who understand science know that this model describes trends. So why don't you rephrase the question: "Is there a decent probability that the North Pole will melt away this Summer?" Or if you want to be a bit more bold, how about "Will the ice covering the North Pole be thinner this year than it was last year? Thinner than it was 50 years ago?"
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| Well why don't you vote yes and if your right I'll convert, fair deal? You do have science on your side. |
That's a lie. More accurately, it is bull $@#!, because I don't think that you intend it to be a lie. To illustrate my point, I'll just mention that you reject evolution and earth science theories in favor of creationism and a 6,000 year old earth. Now, do you really think that you would embrace gcc if the North Pole melted, or do you think you'd continue to reject it in favor of whatever reasons that your clueless anti-science bloggers tell you?
And let's make no mistake about it. Everybody, and I mean everybody, in the know takes gcc as a reality.
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| Would Tez be so magnanimous to offer to rescind his allegiance to Warminism, if the North Pole does not completely melt away this summer? Perhaps his faith is not as strong. |
Again, you simply don't get it. By describing gcc in terms of religion (granted you are not the only one who does that, so not to pick on you here...) you show that you don't understand the basics of science, and you can take that statement at face value - you don't get it. That's fine, it is a subtle thing that most people don't get unless they spend time trying to get it. You are embracing the old fallacy that science is faith based, or that science is just another religion (i.e. that science is based on faith). This argument may have held water a couple centuries ago when induction was a hot topic, but these days we are comfortable claiming that if the sun has risen every day in the past, it will rise again tomorrow. It's basic philosophy of science, which your kind clearly has no concept of as you continue to claim that gcc (or "Warmism" as you so 'cleverly' put it) requires a leap of faith to believe.
| Hetman Kornellius wrote: |
| Do you have the SLIGHTEST idea what you're talking about? |
Originally I had written that they don't. But the truth is, they do have exactly the slightest idea what they're talking about - just enough to be dangerous. They understand enough that they can discuss the topic in superficial terms, but they don't understand the subtleties of the fundamentals that ensure that scientific knowledge is true.
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Pigmalia
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Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:45 pm |
Put up or shut up! If you can't take the bet on the side of seasoned polar scientists who predict that it is more than 50% in your favor vs my ignorant mythology than you are fundamentally full of hot air.
Seriously if the North Pole is open oceans this summer I will convert to global warming. All you have to do is admit that you think the North Pole will disappear this summer, because you trust in the overwhelming consensus of the polar scientists.
This is a terrific opportunity for you to school me, get me out of the dark ages, no longer have to listen me to taunt you on this topic.
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theodorelogan
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Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:58 pm |
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WILL the North Pole melt is your question. Sorry, but nobody will answer yes because people who understand gcc... no, let's go broader... people who understand science know that this model describes trends. So why don't you rephrase the question: "Is there a decent probability that the North Pole will melt away this Summer?" Or if you want to be a bit more bold, how about "Will the ice covering the North Pole be thinner this year than it was last year? Thinner than it was 50 years ago?" |
Awww, c'mon AC, lighten up. Of course no one knows for sure.
I think this thread is a bit silly, but c'mon. It's just people making predictions.
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Admiral Corncob
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Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:17 pm |
| Pigmalia wrote: |
| Put up or shut up! If you can't take the bet on the side of seasoned polar scientists who predict that it is more than 50% in your favor vs my ignorant mythology than you are fundamentally full of hot air. |
Great. Add in two options to your poll and I'll answer:
3) Most likely (I believe the people who wrote rickyp's article)
4) It's impossible to tell, but the ice will very likely be thinner than it has been in past years.
If you find these options to be unreasonable, then I'll repeat that you don't get it.
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| Seriously if the North Pole is open oceans this summer I will convert to global warming. All you have to do is admit that you think the North Pole will disappear this summer, because you trust in the overwhelming consensus of the polar scientists. |
No, you won't believe that global warming is true, just like you will always believe in creationism.
Now here's what's funny to me, and it's another clear demonstration that you will never "convert". To say that you'll change your mind on the subject if the ice disappears is to say that you will change your mind on the subject if the thickness of the ice decreases by X inches, where X inches = the current thickness of the ice. Well if you're really thinking critically here (which I submit that you most certainly are not), then you will have no problem accepting that you should be able to claim that "If the thickness of the ice decreases by Y inches, where Y is less than X but greater than Z (where Z = any number near the normal decrease in ice thickness that we could expect during Summer months), then I will believe that gcc is a reality". Would you make such a claim? It's logically identical to the claim that you have already made, so why not?
| Pigmalia wrote: |
| This is a terrific opportunity for you to school me, get me out of the dark ages, no longer have to listen me to taunt you on this topic. |
For all I care you can remain in 'the dark ages'. The purpose of these forums is for entertainment, and if we all believed the same thing we wouldn't have much fun on here would we?
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| Awww, c'mon AC, lighten up. Of course no one knows for sure. |
We've gone through this topic a dozen times, and I've always been nice and polite and understanding. The answer to my, and many other's, patience is this ridiculous challenge, which I am certain Pigmalia thinks is ever so clever, but is based in an absolute lack of understanding of the fundamental subject in question. But don't worry TL; despite the tone I'm not upset in any way. I always like these debates, and I can rehash them over and over again - provided something new is brought into the mix - before getting fed up  Seriously!
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